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title: "Best Beginnings Episode 25: Dr. Dan Wuori on the myth we built instead of a system"
description: Dr. Dan Wuori, author of The Daycare Myth, on why separating childcare from education is a century-old myth, what it has cost, and how we fix it.
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# [Best Beginnings Episode 25: Dr. Dan Wuori on the myth we built instead of a system](https://babyzone.org.uk/blogzone/best-beginnings-episode-25-dr.-dan-wuori-on-the-myth-we-built-instead-of-a-system)

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> "We are already paying for the system that we need for children and families. We're just doing it in all of the dumbest possible ways."
> 
> **Dr. Dan Wuori, founder of Early Childhood Policy Solutions and the author of The Daycare Myth**

 

In the United States, the median wage for an infant teacher is $13.22 an hour. According to the same dataset, a dog walker earns $0.59 more. Dan Wuori does not use this statistic to shock. He uses it as a measurement: a precise indicator of what a society actually believes, as opposed to what it claims to believe, about the importance of the people who work with its youngest children.

Wuori is the founder of Early Childhood Policy Solutions and the author of The Daycare Myth, a Grawemeyer Award-nominated book that names a problem most people sense but rarely articulate. The problem is not funding, though funding matters. It is not awareness, though awareness also matters. The problem is a century-old idea, so embedded in the way we have organised our services that most of us have never stopped to question it.

The idea is this: that childcare and education are two separate things. One is where you leave a child while you work. The other is where learning begins. Wuori's argument, built over thirty years of work from kindergarten classrooms to state agencies to governors' offices, is that this distinction has never been grounded in how children actually develop. It is a myth. And the cost of maintaining it is, in his words, incalculable.

**When learning actually begins**

The neuroscience is clear. Learning does not begin at school. It does not begin when a child can speak. It begins, in certain meaningful ways, before a child is born.

In utero, babies demonstrate a recognisable preference for their mother's voice over a stranger's. They respond differently to the rhythms and patterns of their mother's native language. In the hours immediately after birth, they already show a preference for that linguistic musicality. They come into the world, as Wuori puts it, as expert observers.

They are watching your face and reading your facial expressions to gauge not only your mood but their safety. They are tracking the movement of lips and mouth, trying to decode how to produce the same sounds. Language development is not waiting for a milestone to trigger it. It is already happening, actively and continuously, from before birth.

This is not a marginal scientific finding. It is the central point of convergence between developmental neuroscience, early childhood policy, and the practical decisions that parents, practitioners, and policymakers make every day. And yet the systems we have built continue to behave as though it were not true.

**The crisis behind the crises**

The news coverage of early childhood, Wuori observes, is saturated with the word crisis. There is a crisis of affordability. A crisis of accessibility. A crisis of compensation for the workforce. These crises are real. But they are, he argues, symptoms of a single, deeper failure: a crisis of understanding.

Our policies have not kept pace with our knowledge. We know more about the importance of the earliest years than at any point in human history. Our systems continue to be built, funded, and governed as though the primary purpose of early childhood settings is to enable adult workforce participation rather than to support child development.

The two aims are not inherently incompatible. But when workforce participation is treated as primary, the consequences for quality are predictable. Ratios are loosened to extend access. Compensation remains low because the market was never designed to reward quality. And a generation of children moves through settings that were never quite asked to do the thing they are actually capable of doing.

**What good looks like**

It does not look like the building. Wuori is precise about this. He has been in multi-million dollar childcare facilities with every conceivable piece of equipment, and he has been in unremarkable buildings where extraordinary things were happening for children. The physical setting is not the measure.

The measure is what the adults are doing when you walk in.

His advice to parents is direct: go visit. Stay for thirty minutes. Make yourself unobtrusive. And then look for the adults. If they are talking to each other in a corner of the room, leave. If it takes you a moment to find them because they are on the floor at eye level with toddlers, extending language and extending play, that is the green light. "Ultimately," he says, "this comes down to human interactions."

It is a test that holds across settings, countries, and funding models. And it is a description of exactly what we are trying to build, recruit for, and retain when we talk about quality in the early years.

**The system we're already paying for**

The question politicians most often ask about early childhood investment is how to pay for it. Wuori has a clear answer.

We are already paying for the system that children need. We are just doing it through remediation in schools, through special education programmes that more robust early intervention would have reduced, through social care, through healthcare, and through incarceration. High-quality early childhood experiences, the research shows consistently, result in better health outcomes in adulthood, higher educational attainment, lower reliance on social welfare, and fewer interactions with the criminal justice system. The investment, relative to the long-term savings, is comparatively small.

The money is already in the system. It is just being spent after the damage has been done.

For those working in the UK context, this conversation lands at a particular moment. The early years workforce question, the affordability question, the question of whether a childcare expansion built primarily around workforce participation will deliver what children actually need: these are not abstract policy debates. They are the questions that will shape what the current expansion becomes.

**What the baby already knows**

Wuori closes the conversation with the same point he opened it with, arrived at from a different direction. A dog walker earns more than an infant teacher because a society decided, implicitly, that walking a dog is more skilled, more valuable, more deserving of economic recognition than shaping the architecture of a human brain.

That is the myth. Not the absence of knowledge, but the failure to act on it.

And the baby in the room, watching your face, tracking your lips, gauging their safety from one moment to the next, is already doing their part. They come in ready. The question is whether we are.

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